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This is very helpful Katy, thank you!

I think you might be right that naturalism/'materialist realism' are actually a kind of irrealism--but of course the materalist-realist would claim to be a realist in fact, so calling him or her an irrealist would be to challenge directly his or her conception of the real.

I wonder if that necessary challenge might be supplemented by examples which help us see by contrast what Dreiser's prose lacks--something of James' for instance that is similar yet reveals a deeper psychological interiority. After seeing a great deal of architectural sculpture recently, the term 'socialist realism' felt like a joke precisely because of the contrast between those sculptures (so barbaric and lacking in craft and definition) compared to others in a Baroque or neo-classical vein.

ps: another wondering--might there be a sociological reason for Dreiser's too quick-'taking people at face value'? I wonder if there's something about writing a modern city novel which would predispose one in this direction, although contemplative habits might allow one to break out of such a predisposition. I'm writing from the middle of a foreign city, and the pace of movement of the "faces that you meet," as Eliot's Prufrock puts it, makes it such that imagining interiority in others requires a kind of mental patience that the environment almost seems to fight in some way.

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Katy, I've been catching up on this conversation over the last six months, fascinated by Hren's manifesto and Ryan Wilson's "How to Think Like A Poet" and your blog, among other related wormholes that have swallowed me up. I'm a filmmaker, so I always end up wondering how these thoughts might be applied analogically to cinema. One of your early posts mentioned cinema's natural kinship with realism (I agree, because of the camera's objectivity -- but on the other hand, I do animation, which is realist only insofar as it imitates live action film language! Which is most of the time). I don't know that you're planning on or interested in writing much about cinema, but I do think you'd find Robert Bresson's "Notes on Cinematography" thought-provoking, perhaps applying it analogically to these conversations about literary realism, in the reverse of what I've been doing. Bresson's book is concerned with distinguishing cinema from a style of filmmaking he calls "cinematography," which is not what we mean when we refer to the cinematographer ("cameraman") on a set. For Bresson, cinematography is an approach to moviemaking that proceeds from photography's superpower of capturing objective reality at its most fleeting and unpredictable. It is a technology best used for "capturing" something wild, not for recording something planned. So he rails against theatricality, rehearsed-ness, the overexpressive face that telegraphs a feeling instead of experiencing it... In spite of this disdain for the sort of construction that inevitably constitutes writing, his goals are very much aligned with the contemplative realist. He writes, "Make visible what, without you, might never have been seen." And elsewhere: "Accustom the public to divining the whole of which they are given only a part. Make people diviners. Make them desire it." It's a short read, and I think you'd find it useful as a sort of triangulation point in neighboring territory that may help map out contemplative realism.

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